Denmark Vesey was a terrorist
But a good terrorist, according to Charleston mayor Joe Riley:
posted by Old Rebel @ Monday, February 08, 2010
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I couldn't disagree more. There is no such thing as an innocent civillian. The whites in the South were fair targets for any slave revolt as they were guilty for allowing slavery to happen. (it was the whites in the South's responsibility to correct that wrong, not the federal government)
The women and children (who worked in munitions factories) in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were responsible for the actions of their country's military.
The people working in the World Trade Center were responsible for the federal empire that props up dictators in order to keep the price of oil down.
There is simply no such thing as an innocent civilian.
Tom,
So -- how 'bout that John Brown?
Brown was a damned yankee. Had no business interfering.
Just like Abe Lincoln was a dictator, but a "good" dictator.
Tom, I must disagree with you on several points and also agree with you on a few others.
I agree wholeheartedly that the federal government (or damn yankees) had no right to to interfere with slavery.
However, I completely disagree with the claim that there are no innocent civilians. While slavery is now widely accepted to be wrong, is was not considered that way by a large number of people in the mid-nineteenth century. And no matter how wrong it is, the murdering of people, especially women and children, is in no way a justifiable retaliation. Furthermore, it was actually a minority of whites that actually owned slaves. An entire race and region cannot be held accountable for the actions of a select few individuals.
As for your analogies to the WTC and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you disregard the fact that not all people are their government. Many of the readers of this blog support (passively or actively) the end of the yankee empire. Yet, by your logic it would be alright for them to be murdered because so far they have been unsuccessfull and the yankee empire still exists at the moment.
I didn't say it was "alright" I just said there's no such thing as an innocent civilian. We may not be able to change our government the way we like but we are still responsible for the way it operates. Of course it's not alright for the government to round up dissenters and execute them. Being "alright" isn't the issue.
People have to be responsible for their lives. You can't just say "oh well I didn't want it that way" and then just go on living and enjoying the benefits of it being that way and consider yourself innocent. All of the Japanese and the Germans were implicit participants in their country's evildoing, no matter if they agreed or not.
We are implicit participants in our country's evil doing as long as we live in this country and don't change it.
"No innocent civilians"
Spoken like a true terrorist.
Tom - I'm glad the bible sets standards for what is right or wrong, and not your silly, dangerous views on collective guilt.
Whether you like it or not, and whether you choose to admit it or not, slavery was NOT a crime and it was NOT immoral. This was the near unanimous view of Christendom for 18 centuries from the Apostle Paul to Jonathan Edwards (a New England slave owner, btw)
To charge anyone in the antebellum South with culpability for a "crime" because they were either a slaveowner or dwelt amongst slaveowners is delusionally stupid. Are you saying Washington, Jefferson and Madison deserved murder for owning slaves?
For heavens sake man, read R L Dabney's "Defense of Virginia" and learn something about the practice of slavery beyond what you got from Roots or Uncle Tom's Cabin, as well as the learn something of its place in Christian ethical teaching.
Wait, so you're glad the only source for morality is God, and you're glad that God said slavery was OK?
What, did God all of the sudden change his mind in the 1800's?
Look, we, the people, are responsible for what our government does. That's simply a fact of reality. Iran's people are responsible for their government. Britain's people for theirs. China's people for theirs, and the list goes on.
Slavery was a mistake that we as Southerners made. We should have corrected that mistake. If a slave broke free and started killing people that stood idly by and watched his enslavement apathetically, then he was justified in doing so. The North was not justified in doing so, neither would be any other outside group or individual.
Tell me something, if you were taken hostage and held against your will, and you were transported to a foreign country where you knew that nobody there was going to help you, yet you somehow found an AK-47 with a full clip, would you shoot your captors and then go to the nearest police station? I doubt it. They would throw you in jail and torture and kill you.
Tom, let's imagine your family has just been murdered by angry Iraqis that are pissed off about the US military presence in their country. Are you going to tell their friends and others that "Well, it sucks they're dead, but let's face the facts: they deserved it. I have always said 'there's no such thing as an innocent civilian' and I'm not about to make an exception to that rule for my family. Basically the way I look at it is this: if your country's government does anything evil, it doesn't matter whether or not you actually voted for the individuals in power who made the decision to do evil. The fact that you support the government with your taxes and being a law-abiding citizen of the government makes you directly responsible for anything that government does. I guess what I'm saying is, as long as your government is involved in any sort of evil or unjust act, you deserve to die."
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